Comments on: Moveable Type Goes Open Source http://paulenderson.com/2007/06/06/moveable-type-goes-open-source/ the personal blog of Paul Enderson Tue, 07 Oct 2008 02:08:29 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.2.1 By: Paul http://paulenderson.com/2007/06/06/moveable-type-goes-open-source/#comment-828 Paul Tue, 03 Jul 2007 18:10:54 +0000 http://paulenderson.com/2007/06/06/moveable-type-goes-open-source/#comment-828 It might help their case if they build an installer for Fantastico - which comes with almost all PHP hosting packages these days. It currently takes me 20 seconds to setup a brand-new WP site on a sub-domain, because Fantastico makes it stupidly simple! It might help their case if they build an installer for Fantastico - which comes with almost all PHP hosting packages these days.

It currently takes me 20 seconds to setup a brand-new WP site on a sub-domain, because Fantastico makes it stupidly simple!

]]> By: johno http://paulenderson.com/2007/06/06/moveable-type-goes-open-source/#comment-826 johno Tue, 03 Jul 2007 17:51:52 +0000 http://paulenderson.com/2007/06/06/moveable-type-goes-open-source/#comment-826 If they hope to attract new users (and certianly if they wish to entice users away from WP), then they've got to make the install fool-proof. I think part of WP's success is down to its ease of installation. For something as large and complex as WP, they done a fantastic job of ensuring that just about anyone can get in up-and-running within minutes. Like you, I code in PHP, and have done so for years, but that doesn't make me any more patient. If they hope to attract new users (and certianly if they wish to entice users away from WP), then they’ve got to make the install fool-proof. I think part of WP’s success is down to its ease of installation. For something as large and complex as WP, they done a fantastic job of ensuring that just about anyone can get in up-and-running within minutes.

Like you, I code in PHP, and have done so for years, but that doesn’t make me any more patient.

]]> By: Paul http://paulenderson.com/2007/06/06/moveable-type-goes-open-source/#comment-621 Paul Sat, 23 Jun 2007 11:29:37 +0000 http://paulenderson.com/2007/06/06/moveable-type-goes-open-source/#comment-621 Yup, the whole CMS market seems to be attracting a lot of attention lately! I think it's only natural though - following the current trend for self-publication. It's good to see so many applications moving to full GPL support too: Joomla and MoveableType are wise to see the long-term benefits of the move! Thanks for your comments Tomo - and best of luck with your blog restart! Yup, the whole CMS market seems to be attracting a lot of attention lately! I think it’s only natural though - following the current trend for self-publication.

It’s good to see so many applications moving to full GPL support too: Joomla and MoveableType are wise to see the long-term benefits of the move!

Thanks for your comments Tomo - and best of luck with your blog restart!

]]> By: Tomo http://paulenderson.com/2007/06/06/moveable-type-goes-open-source/#comment-616 Tomo Sat, 23 Jun 2007 03:54:13 +0000 http://paulenderson.com/2007/06/06/moveable-type-goes-open-source/#comment-616 It is always exciting to see undocumented features as the evolve in SVN builds. Never had a major break with WP upgrades, though the 2.3 stuff still occasionally references some of the defunct 2cat tables here and there. No show stoppers to date though. Had alot of fun with Joomla, though didn't know the architecture / PHP well enough to dig my way out of corners when running SVN builds. Going to cut my teeth on Wordpress for the time being and come back to the big J! when my code is better. Be interesting to see how things play out for Joomla with the whole GPL thing coming up in the last few days. Between that and MT / Habari / Ruby there seems to be alot of movement in the CMS world lately. It is always exciting to see undocumented features as the evolve in SVN builds. Never had a major break with WP upgrades, though the 2.3 stuff still occasionally references some of the defunct 2cat tables here and there. No show stoppers to date though.

Had alot of fun with Joomla, though didn’t know the architecture / PHP well enough to dig my way out of corners when running SVN builds. Going to cut my teeth on Wordpress for the time being and come back to the big J! when my code is better.

Be interesting to see how things play out for Joomla with the whole GPL thing coming up in the last few days. Between that and MT / Habari / Ruby there seems to be alot of movement in the CMS world lately.

]]> By: Paul http://paulenderson.com/2007/06/06/moveable-type-goes-open-source/#comment-588 Paul Wed, 20 Jun 2007 18:17:44 +0000 http://paulenderson.com/2007/06/06/moveable-type-goes-open-source/#comment-588 Thanks for your comment Tomo! :) I think it's far more exciting to be a grumbling early adopter than a contended general user! ;) I've only had one plugin break during a WP upgrade - and that was probably down to my theme, as opposed to WordPress breaking it! I know at least one person who ran MT2, and they had to remove almost all of their plugins when they moved to MT3 - so I don't think we WP users can complain too much! I run the Joomla SVN releases on one of my dev sites, but I think I've got to a stage with it (having run Mambo originally since the first beta release) where I know what's under the hood - so I can usually fix anything that breaks! Thanks for your comment Tomo! :)

I think it’s far more exciting to be a grumbling early adopter than a contended general user! ;)

I’ve only had one plugin break during a WP upgrade - and that was probably down to my theme, as opposed to WordPress breaking it! I know at least one person who ran MT2, and they had to remove almost all of their plugins when they moved to MT3 - so I don’t think we WP users can complain too much!

I run the Joomla SVN releases on one of my dev sites, but I think I’ve got to a stage with it (having run Mambo originally since the first beta release) where I know what’s under the hood - so I can usually fix anything that breaks!

]]> By: tomo http://paulenderson.com/2007/06/06/moveable-type-goes-open-source/#comment-573 tomo Mon, 18 Jun 2007 19:46:42 +0000 http://paulenderson.com/2007/06/06/moveable-type-goes-open-source/#comment-573 I'd imagine that it will probably be something that doesn't matter all that much long term. Once the community and documentation get up there it will be a trivial footnote somewhere as to how to get it running in a multi-CMS root. Meanwhile we crazy early adopters occasionally grumble. ;) Seems like sixapart are one of the few companies that actually means "beta" when they say it these days too! Might trip people up a little. The plugin / upgrade issue seems to be a permanent poison pill for any cms as well - noticed even with the 2.3 alpha of wordpress there's been a table redesign that will probably break some stuff initially. It's a funny thing, if you really want to be early adopter on anything you should know the guts of it inside out (sql / php knowledge kills most upgrade pains, table conversions etc) but beta is such a popular concept that there's no fear of it anymore. I'm guilty of the exactly thing, I run Joomla nightly builds in some places (not public ones), but if it blows up at this stage I'd have little clue how to do the required brain surgery. Just be another grumpy "your pre alpha product died omg hate you!" user on a forum somewhere. heh I’d imagine that it will probably be something that doesn’t matter all that much long term. Once the community and documentation get up there it will be a trivial footnote somewhere as to how to get it running in a multi-CMS root. Meanwhile we crazy early adopters occasionally grumble. ;)

Seems like sixapart are one of the few companies that actually means “beta” when they say it these days too! Might trip people up a little. The plugin / upgrade issue seems to be a permanent poison pill for any cms as well - noticed even with the 2.3 alpha of wordpress there’s been a table redesign that will probably break some stuff initially.

It’s a funny thing, if you really want to be early adopter on anything you should know the guts of it inside out (sql / php knowledge kills most upgrade pains, table conversions etc) but beta is such a popular concept that there’s no fear of it anymore. I’m guilty of the exactly thing, I run Joomla nightly builds in some places (not public ones), but if it blows up at this stage I’d have little clue how to do the required brain surgery. Just be another grumpy “your pre alpha product died omg hate you!” user on a forum somewhere. heh

]]> By: Paul http://paulenderson.com/2007/06/06/moveable-type-goes-open-source/#comment-569 Paul Mon, 18 Jun 2007 14:29:25 +0000 http://paulenderson.com/2007/06/06/moveable-type-goes-open-source/#comment-569 Thanks for dropping by Tomo! I really hope that it gets better by the time they release it! ;) Thanks for dropping by Tomo! I really hope that it gets better by the time they release it! ;)

]]> By: tomo http://paulenderson.com/2007/06/06/moveable-type-goes-open-source/#comment-542 tomo Sat, 16 Jun 2007 14:53:31 +0000 http://paulenderson.com/2007/06/06/moveable-type-goes-open-source/#comment-542 Hah, feel the pain on the test install front. I tried making it live in a subdirectory and there was just no clear path forward without alot of screwing around (.htaccess / whatever). Though, I never wound up having it eat my site via a stray index.html, think I got lucky on that one. Re, Tomo. Hah, feel the pain on the test install front. I tried making it live in a subdirectory and there was just no clear path forward without alot of screwing around (.htaccess / whatever). Though, I never wound up having it eat my site via a stray index.html, think I got lucky on that one.

Re,

Tomo.

]]> By: Paul http://paulenderson.com/2007/06/06/moveable-type-goes-open-source/#comment-403 Paul Sat, 09 Jun 2007 22:00:35 +0000 http://paulenderson.com/2007/06/06/moveable-type-goes-open-source/#comment-403 All blogging platforms seems liable to the same 'upgrade causes plugin problems' nightmare! The MT4 upgrader is supposed to solve all the issues, but I wouldn't bank on it - given the amount of hassle I had with a *fresh* install! If I was forced to choose between WP2.2 and MT4, then I'd pick WP without hesitation. I'm hoping though that the MT team (suddenly much bigger with the open source gearshift) will get MT4 out of beta, and then quickly get to work on MT5! If MT works *really* hard I can potentially see them stealing WP's thunder in 8-12 months... If anybody from MT reads this, then I am (naturally) available for consultation work! ;) All blogging platforms seems liable to the same ‘upgrade causes plugin problems’ nightmare! The MT4 upgrader is supposed to solve all the issues, but I wouldn’t bank on it - given the amount of hassle I had with a *fresh* install!

If I was forced to choose between WP2.2 and MT4, then I’d pick WP without hesitation. I’m hoping though that the MT team (suddenly much bigger with the open source gearshift) will get MT4 out of beta, and then quickly get to work on MT5!

If MT works *really* hard I can potentially see them stealing WP’s thunder in 8-12 months… If anybody from MT reads this, then I am (naturally) available for consultation work! ;)

]]> By: Tess http://paulenderson.com/2007/06/06/moveable-type-goes-open-source/#comment-402 Tess Sat, 09 Jun 2007 19:43:31 +0000 http://paulenderson.com/2007/06/06/moveable-type-goes-open-source/#comment-402 I already had problems upgrading to 3.34, some of the plugins I was using didn't work with this version. It took me a while to find replacements, some plugins were simply not upgraded/developed. So I wonder what this version would be like. It's funny, every time I have it all working smoothly they come up with another beta. I think I will wait a while before swapping to 4.0 until all the bugs are gone ;) I already had problems upgrading to 3.34, some of the plugins I was using didn’t work with this version. It took me a while to find replacements, some plugins were simply not upgraded/developed. So I wonder what this version would be like. It’s funny, every time I have it all working smoothly they come up with another beta. I think I will wait a while before swapping to 4.0 until all the bugs are gone ;)

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